Results or the EU referendum vote

[nickfur]

Originally Posted by badger

I guess it's neither surprising nor wrong that an MP elected on a party ticket voted in accordance with the party line. Wouldn't it be a betrayal of the electorate if he had voted against the party line?

A very subtle comment, if I may say so, Badger. You obviously want the Conservative Party to stay united so you know just where to direct your attacks. It is very annoying when a group put forward a group view and within days the members of the group are all doing their own thing. It may not be betraying the Electorate - who weren't listening anyway - but it is betraying the idea of group purpose.

[chad yellowhammer]

Originally Posted by nickfur

We are also sending lots of cash to Africa. I heard yesterday that Africa could improve its agriculture to the degree where it would be able, not only to support all the millions on that continent, but could also become a net exporter of food.

In any case someone said this evening that all the 7 billion people about to populate the world could fit into France with room to spare. This may be possible solution to our problems without the need for a referendum.

The reports of a possible doubling in the worlds population by 2100 are pretty sobering, that's for sure. Not sure how reliable that estimate actually is, although I did read somewhere today that we're following the classic population growth curve of a species that exists without predators - and that generally such growth curves are curtailed by a lack of resources, and the competition between groups to secure what remains of those resources.

I have no idea what the answer is.

[nickfur]

Originally Posted by chad yellowhammer

The reports of a possible doubling in the worlds population by 2100 are pretty sobering, that's for sure. Not sure how reliable that estimate actually is, although I did read somewhere today that we're following the classic population growth curve of a species that exists without predators - and that generally such growth curves are curtailed by a lack of resources, and the competition between groups to secure what remains of those resources.

I have no idea what the answer is.

Who needs predators when you have nuclear arms. Perhaps we should scrap the non-proliferation treaty and bring out a new one - The More Proliferation Treaty.

[badger]

Originally Posted by nickfur

A very subtle comment, if I may say so, Badger. You obviously want the Conservative Party to stay united so you know just where to direct your attacks. It is very annoying when a group put forward a group view and within days the members of the group are all doing their own thing. It may not be betraying the Electorate - who weren't listening anyway - but it is betraying the idea of group purpose.

Not really, Nick, I was just pointing at the absurdum of the party political system with which we appear to be lumbered for eternity.

[nickfur]

Originally Posted by badger

Not really, Nick, I was just pointing at the absurdum of the party political system with which we appear to be lumbered for eternity.

Understood and agreed. Coalitions seem to be particularly bad. The Russians and the Chinese are doing very well without parties as we know them. India seems to ignore all our party political rules and Brazil - well I don't know about their system but suspect it is just big business in total control. They are now in a position to lend the EU cash while we are in suspension hoping something good is going to happen and our financial services will skim off enough cream to stop us going broke.

An alternative to the party system would be a dictatorial government that is advised by a parliament of independent MPs. As the Russians and the Chinese are the most proficient at dictatorial governments, they should be invited jointly to rule us on condition that they listen to "Today in Parliament", every night on the BBC. That way the "reforendem vote", will be heard and effectively ignored.

Meanwhile, Engineers, Technologists and Scientists can get down to doing what they do best without the distraction of worrying about the political party of their choice.

I know this sounds a bit revolutionary and may shock you but I promise I shall not keep harping on about it. I was an engineer so may get out my files and scraper again, in blissful harmony with the New World Order.

[badger]

Originally Posted by chad yellowhammer

That's a good point Badger, as there's no mention of a referendum on membership in their last election manifesto. I guess the backbenches may well have their sights on the next manifesto though.

Thank you, chad. But what if they had promised such a referendum in their last manifesto, but then the party leadership had changed its party mind by last Monday? What then should I expect of an MP elected a year ago under the party system? The issue boils down to: from my point of view, was I voting for a party or a principle? The issue simultaneously boils down to: once they're elected, from their point of view do they give a tinker's cuss what I voted for?

[nickfur]

Originally Posted by badger

Thank you, chad. But what if they had promised such a referendum in their last manifesto, but then the party leadership had changed its party mind by last Monday? What then should I expect of an MP elected a year ago under the party system? The issue boils down to: from my point of view, was I voting for a party or a principle? The issue simultaneously boils down to: once they're elected, from their point of view do they give a tinker's cuss what I voted for?

No!

[hiker]

Of course the Government, any Government, could just ignore the result of a referendum -they're perfectly entitled to do so, or ask the question again until they get the result they wish.

Another tactic might be to await the breakup of Murdoch's newspaper empire - I mean, should a nation's future really be decided by The Sun's readership and ''Wot The Sun Thinks''

[nickfur]

In my post #15 I was wondering about another layer. Should the parliament's comment be questioned by another dictatorial system. Should the News of the World staff, now no longer giving out this news through the courtesy of the Murdoch family, be employed to hack into the private thoughts of the Elected Members. This may counteract the scary tendency of some MPs to think one thing but to say just the opposite to what they are thinking.

"Wot the Sun thinks" would now be given an airing through the comments by the BBC on its "News" program and in such detail that no-one need waste their money buying the newspaper. Another condition placed on the Russo-Chinese government would be that there is no direct control of the BBC news programme, not even by BBC editors. Thus all those clever News Readers would be completely free to question the expertise of the experts they have invited along.

Reforendum votes would of course be made unnecessary by having audience participation. TV sets would be converted to interpret the comments yelled at them by the Electorate; transmuting them into a Yes/No vote instantly. There could be an error correction device to assist those who frequently change their minds - a sort of retrospective filter. The New World Order will give software engineering a whole new status.

[PimpleNell]

Originally Posted by nickfur

Understood and agreed. Coalitions seem to be particularly bad. The Russians and the Chinese are doing very well without parties as we know them. India seems to ignore all our party political rules and Brazil - well I don't know about their system but suspect it is just big business in total control. They are now in a position to lend the EU cash while we are in suspension hoping something good is going to happen and our financial services will skim off enough cream to stop us going broke.

An alternative to the party system would be a dictatorial government that is advised by a parliament of independent MPs. As the Russians and the Chinese are the most proficient at dictatorial governments, they should be invited jointly to rule us on condition that they listen to "Today in Parliament", every night on the BBC. That way the "reforendem vote", will be heard and effectively ignored.

Meanwhile, Engineers, Technologists and Scientists can get down to doing what they do best without the distraction of worrying about the political party of their choice.

I know this sounds a bit revolutionary and may shock you but I promise I shall not keep harping on about it. I was an engineer so may get out my files and scraper again, in blissful harmony with the New World Order.

Many a true word spoken in jest Nick! You are on top form!
Repped.